| 16:47 |
Franja Russell |
Ah hah. This is a relaxing sit position. |
| 16:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Wordsmith |
| 16:47 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks, Val |
| 16:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I just changed the sign behind me to reflect that we have partnered with Caledon for this sci-fi story Literary Study~ |
| 16:48 |
Heart Campfire Cushion - Single - ZigZag |
Hi Wordsmith Jarvinen! Touch me to change pose. Say /1a to Adjust. |
| 16:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Phyrnne |
| 16:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks. |
| 16:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi, Phrynne |
| 16:48 |
Phrynne |
hi |
| 16:49 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Phyrynne- have you ever seen the "Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries" show from Australia? The lead character is named Phrynne :) |
| 16:49 |
Phrynne |
Yes -- and I've read all the books, too. |
| 16:49 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
It is a FUN show! lolt |
| 16:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Val, do you have any knowledge of what libraries are in SL and have resources (not just reading rooms)? |
| 16:49 |
Phrynne |
Discovered them after I took the name here. |
| 16:49 |
Franja Russell |
Yes. I've enjoyed it when I can watch it. |
| 16:50 |
Phrynne |
I am not named after Phryne Fisher. :) |
| 16:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I was just asked that questions recently, Wordsmith! I will be investigating with the CVL board to see if we can find SL libraries. I don't have the current count |
| 16:50 |
Second Life |
<nolink>Star_Discussion_Notecard_Giver owned by Valibrarian Gregg</nolink> gave you <nolink>'Discussion Guide for 15 Nov 2018 - Russell, Allamagoosa</nolink>' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cookie/218/128/20 ). |
| 16:50 |
Phrynne |
I have been checking out old LMs and not many are hitting |
| 16:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
/me makes note to self to bring this to CVL board |
| 16:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
JJ is leaving SL and Phrynne as been investigating as well as make sure that material is preserved. |
| 16:51 |
Phrynne |
I'm also thinking of creating a class on libraries at Oxbridge -- our own, but also the other ones in SL |
| 16:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I just heard that sad news today.... I am sure it is difficult for Caledon! |
| 16:52 |
Phrynne |
If you know anyone who might be interested in sponsoring a library, please ask them to contact me. |
| 16:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
JJ has apparently been having health issues...so sorry to hear that |
| 16:52 |
Franja Russell |
Oh my! I'm sorry too. |
| 16:52 |
Phrynne |
The person who has inherited the responsibility doesn't want to have to close any for lack of someone paying tier. |
| 16:52 |
Franja Russell |
He's done so much !! |
| 16:52 |
Phrynne |
And the Caledon libraries are, overall, what is left of his work. |
| 16:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome KayCooper :) |
| 16:53 |
KayCooper |
Hello :) |
| 16:53 |
Phrynne |
hi Kay |
| 16:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I hope the libraries can be sustained and/or archived. |
| 16:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And is still coming in, in a very focused manner, to transfer ownership and make it possible to maintain things. |
| 16:53 |
Franja Russell |
What happened to the Portal to Sci-Fi & Fantasy when it closed? |
| 16:53 |
Phrynne |
The information from all of the smaller specialized libraries is being brought to the Whitehorn Library in Victoria City, so it is not lost; that work is continuing. |
| 16:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Most SL spaces the close are simply lost- unless there is machinima or images that capture them. |
| 16:54 |
Franja Russell |
Ah, I still have things in my Inventory from that site. |
| 16:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Franja- you are welcome to share some sci-fi things here! |
| 16:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I still remember the libraries of Al Andalus |
| 16:55 |
Franja Russell |
Oh my! We had wonderful discussions on print and film sci-fi...as well as many Author meetings. |
| 16:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I remember doing my first book discussion at the Sci-Fi portal years ago! |
| 16:56 |
Franja Russell |
I don't have video of anything because I didn't know how to made video in SL. |
| 16:56 |
Franja Russell |
But I have posters and things like that. |
| 16:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Al Andalus--- was that in SL? |
| 16:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Val has the discussion notes I did for today in the large vase in front of me. |
| 16:56 |
Franja Russell |
I think so. I remember visiting there. |
| 16:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Please click on the golden vase by the campfire for our discussion notes. TY Wordsmith |
| 16:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It was, and Caledon had an outpost there. They were immense, with books, sculpture, bas relief... |
| 16:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
sounds familiar...I was so intrigued by Caledon when I first entered SL! |
| 16:57 |
Franja Russell |
I love the phrase "What could go wrong... |
| 16:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Manu |
| 16:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We will start shortly.....please click on the gold vase by the fire for discussion notes. |
| 16:58 |
ManuNakamoto127 |
thanks |
| 16:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
And...it is ok if you did not get a chance to read the story! |
| 16:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
ALLAMAGOOSA https://www.baen.com/Chapters/1439133476/1439133476___3.htm |
| 16:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
/me is setting sun to midnight for nice firelight :) |
| 16:59 |
Franja Russell |
Oh, that's a neat setting! |
| 17:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I heard the clock strike! shall we begin? |
| 17:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'm also keeping transcript of the discussions and the guides at http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/cvl_caledon/index.php |
| 17:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I love that Wordsmith! |
| 17:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Any intro you want to make Val? |
| 17:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
welcome Airi :) |
| 17:01 |
Cadenza (airidokeshi) |
Hello |
| 17:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Cadenza- click the gold vase by the fire for a discussion notecard |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- do you think we should continue in text? or voice? or both? |
| 17:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I announced the discussion on 3 Caledon groups. We may get a few trickling in. |
| 17:03 |
Cadenza (airidokeshi) |
If it's going to be on voice, or voice-related. I'll need to go snag my headset. |
| 17:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Mostly text, for transcript, purposes |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Mostly text sounds fine to me. I just returned from a conference and one session was on accessibility! A deaf presenter did an outstanding job. |
| 17:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes. |
| 17:04 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I may need to contact you later Wordsmith about this amazing archive of our group! Great example of archiving virtual worlds |
| 17:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So this time a lighter, perhaps more straight forward story with Allamagoosa. |
| 17:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But as one review pointed out, the battle between those who "do" and those who "count beans" is timeless independent of the technology. |
| 17:05 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- The story moves quickly! |
| 17:05 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So it holds up since 1955 when it won the first Hugo story award. |
| 17:06 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Indeed- lots of relevance to today's high tech world. |
| 17:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We start out at a Sirian space sport, just back from a long, difficult mission. |
| 17:07 |
Franja Russell |
It's also relevant to the worlds of Boss vs Underlings. |
| 17:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So my first note is on how Russell chose to start the story. |
| 17:07 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
The way we use lots of jargon and sometimes have "pseudo-concepts" in our heads that we do not fully understand. |
| 17:08 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I was reminded of several years back when two National Labs stood down for several days over some misplaced disk drives. |
| 17:08 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
wow- yes! |
| 17:08 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
This was a good opening....good imagery (her tubes cold, her shell particle-scarred) |
| 17:09 |
Franja Russell |
It sounded realistic. |
| 17:09 |
Cadenza (airidokeshi) |
My apologies, a friend needs my help. Perhaps I'll be able to stay another time. |
| 17:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Russell twice set up expectations of crew shore-leave and then twice turned that on end with a single, very-short word. |
| 17:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
tc Airi |
| 17:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the word was? |
| 17:09 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
interesting |
| 17:09 |
Franja Russell |
Bye Cadenza |
| 17:09 |
Franja Russell |
Good luck. |
| 17:09 |
Phrynne |
bye |
| 17:10 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
are we talking about "offog"? |
| 17:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Not yet. The word he used was "Hah!" |
| 17:10 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh an earlier word! HAH! |
| 17:10 |
Franja Russell |
At the end, I wondered if "offog" was a typo. |
| 17:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It was. |
| 17:11 |
Phrynne |
ofcl. dog |
| 17:11 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
As in--- No shore leave- HAH! |
| 17:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So Russell twice describes expectations, and then lets you know twice that this isn't going to happen with "Hah!" |
| 17:12 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So in a sense, starting the story outside of the story, from the view of an observer that knows the future. |
| 17:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Setting up the contrast. |
| 17:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thoughts? |
| 17:13 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I was so busy thinking about the inventory checklist.....I did not catch the clues about the offog- it came as a surprise |
| 17:13 |
KayCooper |
I didn't either... |
| 17:13 |
Franja Russell |
The story reminded me of times when a "Higher-up_ or Higher-Status person visits a workplace intending to evaluate them...send in a report. |
| 17:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
(Don't be shy or quiet. I'm not so much leading as nudging the discussion) |
| 17:14 |
KayCooper |
Their desperation to just make an offog so they won't get in trouble felt very believable...although lies like these tend to have consequences |
| 17:14 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- Franja- I got that feeling too....the incredible digging for every last tiny item on the list. |
| 17:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We get a couple of short crew introductions, and then Russel gives us a slightly longer one. |
| 17:15 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
haha Kay- I thought it was funny, too. Let's just make up an OFFOG and nobody will be the wiser. That reminded me of The Emperor's New Clothes! Nobody will notice that he isn't wearing anything |
| 17:15 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Peaslake |
| 17:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That intro's in the discussion guide |
| 17:16 |
Phrynne |
I wondered when I was reading it if something like this happened on a ship during WWII that Russell knew about. |
| 17:16 |
KayCooper |
I really should have noticed those clues...but it's cool how he wove them in there. At least I can appreciate it after the fact. |
| 17:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I listed a review article at the end -- that mentions it was based on an urban legend. |
| 17:17 |
Franja Russell |
Too often, people in upper management haven't done various parts of the job to understand what's needed to do the job. They have a set of requirements and procedures that they inflict on their Subordinates. |
| 17:17 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I thought that in making the notes, Kay. |
| 17:17 |
KayCooper |
I appreciate you pointing it out there :) |
| 17:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The collar even says "Property of" right on it. |
| 17:18 |
KayCooper |
It's like being so focused on what you think the story is going to be about, that you miss all the details of what it's actually about. |
| 17:18 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
It was like they were so busy looking at details (and trying not to look clueless about what an offog is)- they missed what was right in front of them. and that is what I did while reading it! |
| 17:19 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes, Franja, and Russell makes Cassidy a stereotype of that: what they call all hat and no cattle. |
| 17:19 |
KayCooper |
Exactly! |
| 17:19 |
Franja Russell |
:- ) |
| 17:20 |
KayCooper |
Also, to add to what Franja said, because of the hierarchy there is no good communication, so there's no room for people to question the typo and actually take care of the problem in a reasonable way. Everyone's trying to cover their own butts, so the mistake becomes huge. |
| 17:21 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I was also reminded of how problematic "nomenclature" can be! Words, acronyms, new concepts- name changes......We come upon a new word and think it is real- even if a typo. First thing I did was google "OFFOG" and it took me right to the story. They didn't have google in 1955. |
| 17:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And for good reason. Russell notes consequences in his mention of the extra reel of electric wire. |
| 17:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It ran the other captain through a court-martial resulting in a reprimand. |
| 17:22 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
welcome Sophie |
| 17:23 |
Sophie Zuta |
Thank you! |
| 17:23 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Welcome, Sophie. Nice you could make it. Touch the vase in front of me for the discussion guide |
| 17:23 |
KayCooper |
Hi Sophie :) |
| 17:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I like how Russell described the mood of the crew, once back and working. |
| 17:24 |
Sophie Zuta |
Hi folks! Sorry to walk in the middle of the discussion |
| 17:24 |
Phrynne |
hi Sophie |
| 17:24 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Not a problem. |
| 17:24 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
that is fine., Sophie :) |
| 17:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
doing their jobs as though sentenced to them for crimes contemplated but not yet committed.” |
| 17:25 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
It was interesting that this story felt futuristic and "space-agey" yet without computer tech. We didn't know in 1955 that the Internet would change culture. |
| 17:26 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No, and thus we have messages printed on paper, although, for official records, perhaps. |
| 17:26 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Yes- that was a dark sentence, Wordsmith. The crew seemed boxed in kind of similar to 1984! |
| 17:26 |
KayCooper |
I found it a little funny how they were passing paper around while in a spaceship, especially when tablets are now a thing. But hey, 1955. |
| 17:27 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes Kay! lots of paper! who knew that would end |
| 17:27 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
although I know a lot of people who still print out a ton |
| 17:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
What is it Amazon has, a PaperWrite. |
| 17:27 |
Phrynne |
Paperwhite Kindle. |
| 17:27 |
KayCooper |
It's always interesting to read older scifi, to see how far they could guess into the future. |
| 17:27 |
Sophie Zuta |
What's a paperwhite Kindle? |
| 17:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So, there's your paper updated. |
| 17:28 |
Phrynne |
It's a Kindle that can be backlit so you can read at night, and the screen is very white. |
| 17:28 |
Phrynne |
I have one. |
| 17:28 |
KayCooper |
It's the kind of screen you can still read in sunlight |
| 17:28 |
Phrynne |
yes |
| 17:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It's a black and white Kindle for reading text. |
| 17:28 |
KayCooper |
I have a nook glowlight. |
| 17:28 |
KayCooper |
Similar thing |
| 17:28 |
Sophie Zuta |
is that what's ideal for reading? |
| 17:29 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh yes- I have a NOOK as well- backlit (although a good printed book does the job!) |
| 17:29 |
KayCooper |
Honestly, I prefer physical books, it's just part of the experience. |
| 17:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And passing message via proximity (NDF?) |
| 17:29 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I hate when the ereader runs out of batteries at a really good part ;) |
| 17:29 |
KayCooper |
But having something light is good for reading outside, and the glow is good for nighttime |
| 17:29 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
They haven't made the electronics smell like books yet. |
| 17:29 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
absolutely Wordsmith! |
| 17:29 |
Franja Russell |
Heh, heh... |
| 17:30 |
KayCooper |
I also feel more like I'm accomplishing something when I turn physical pages rather than tapping or swiping a screen |
| 17:30 |
Phrynne |
I do like carrying a library in my pocket |
| 17:30 |
KayCooper |
I agree Phrynne |
| 17:30 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
they both have advantages! |
| 17:30 |
KayCooper |
I use both, depending on the circumstances |
| 17:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And Russell gets then tendency for tech people to give their objects pet names. |
| 17:30 |
Sophie Zuta |
I love having a book in my hand |
| 17:31 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I love wearing a book on my head. hehe |
| 17:31 |
Sophie Zuta |
at the same time, I find that maintaining a home library is tedious |
| 17:31 |
Sophie Zuta |
haha |
| 17:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And physical bookcases fill up unreasonably fast. |
| 17:31 |
Franja Russell |
Unfortunately my home library reproduces all on it's own. I swear I didn't buy all those books. They just appeared. |
| 17:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
(viewpoint of a book addict) |
| 17:32 |
KayCooper |
That's when I start piling them up on the floor... |
| 17:32 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- Wordsmith- the pet names was an interesting idea. It added humor and sort of reminded me of avatar names. We all have names here in addition to rl |
| 17:32 |
Phrynne |
/me glances at the pile of unread volumes next to her |
| 17:32 |
KayCooper |
...decoratively of course |
| 17:33 |
KayCooper |
The jargon and made up names adds to the confusion of course. More communication problems. |
| 17:33 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
/me glances at her unread pile just like Phrynne |
| 17:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The French Chef with the French Chef attitude, while a cliché, still worked as a bit of humor. |
| 17:33 |
KayCooper |
/me tries to not glance at her unread pile like everyone else |
| 17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
One benefit of this discussion group is that the stories are short! |
| 17:34 |
Sophie Zuta |
I am comforted to know that I am not the only one that picks up books for "future" reading....a future that may or may not come. :p |
| 17:34 |
KayCooper |
Plus, I get to read something I probably wouldn't have known about otherwise |
| 17:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And yet say a lot about writing and communicating the pictures in one's mind. |
| 17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I must admit I am more interested in Science Fiction since I have been in virtual worlds. |
| 17:34 |
KayCooper |
I do that all the time Sophie |
| 17:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Not the only one by a long shot, Sophie. |
| 17:35 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
There was a "dog ate my homework" feel about this story- no pun intended! |
| 17:35 |
Sophie Zuta |
:) |
| 17:36 |
KayCooper |
hehe |
| 17:36 |
Franja Russell |
:- ) |
| 17:37 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I have a question about the ending? Did you come away feeling that they were all in danger of exploding? Was that the intended inference? |
| 17:37 |
KayCooper |
I think so |
| 17:37 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
/me admits she was reading this story too fast! |
| 17:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
You have a strict bean-counter coming to inspect you. The bean-counter doesn't know details beyond whether it's listed on an inventory slip and it hasn't been reported as otherwise. So, what do you do with one item you can't find anywhere on the ship? |
| 17:37 |
KayCooper |
"material used as fuel" >.< |
| 17:38 |
Franja Russell |
Hopefully, they'd been able to satisfy the Superior Officers with their explanation. |
| 17:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No, no danger existed except for those receiving their loss message. |
| 17:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Since the inspector won't know enough details, the solution is to create and Offog. |
| 17:39 |
KayCooper |
They weren't in danger, but the people in charge were worried that all the other dogs might suddenly come apart under gravitational stress? |
| 17:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Or the people on the ship. |
| 17:39 |
KayCooper |
I suppose if something like that happened to an organic being they would be concerned for the human crew. |
| 17:40 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We all can relate to bean-counters seeing only details with no vision of the bigger picture. |
| 17:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
So. a fake offog gets them through the inspection. |
| 17:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But Russell gives us another clue before the inspection. |
| 17:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
While in the galley. |
| 17:40 |
Franja Russell |
I wondered if the Officers simply decided to create something to search--check out--investigate. Then they could report that due to THEIR masterful investigation, there was no further problem. |
| 17:41 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
OH! okay- so getting through the inspection is the most important thing. That sheds some light on things |
| 17:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
In the middle of the inventory sheet. There's the missing offog, then a studded collar, then a basket of wove reeds, then a foam mat for the basket (half-chewed). |
| 17:42 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Like students cramming for an exam- memorizing- getting an A and not retaining a single thing. |
| 17:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Right. |
| 17:43 |
Franja Russell |
If data doesn't make sense, isn't useful, we tend to forget it. |
| 17:43 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Bean-counters focusing on beans without understanding them. |
| 17:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The answer is right in front of them, there's something that goes with the inventory items that follow. |
| 17:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
But the don't think of Peaslake as an inventory item. |
| 17:43 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
The difference in knowledge and wisdom- memorizing concepts and knowing when to apply them and what they mean. |
| 17:44 |
Franja Russell |
Yes/ |
| 17:44 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
So- that theme in the story is probably more important than the physical danger of blowing up! |
| 17:44 |
KayCooper |
I mean, I wouldn't think of him as an inventory item either...more a part of the crew. |
| 17:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Right. But there on the collar is "property of". And the inspector didn't catch that they never mentioned the dog. |
| 17:45 |
KayCooper |
True |
| 17:45 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and since I love English- I think the whole trouble of a typo- OFFOG- points to the importance of grammar, syntax, spelling etc |
| 17:45 |
Franja Russell |
In a sci-fi story, an animal could simply be an alien life-form. |
| 17:46 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good point Franja |
| 17:46 |
KayCooper |
They were so worried about not failing the inspection, they overlooked obvious details. Sort of how anxiety influences decision making. |
| 17:46 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes |
| 17:46 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Anxiety and tunnel focus blinding us to the obvious. |
| 17:46 |
KayCooper |
Exactly |
| 17:46 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
anxiety- yes! and he used the phrase "came apart under gravitational stress " |
| 17:47 |
KayCooper |
Stress indeed |
| 17:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
lots of kinds of stress |
| 17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
there's even good stress "eustress" |
| 17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Hi Savage!! |
| 17:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
At the end, they've made it through the inspection, had some shore-leave, and now are heading back to Earth for an overhaul and upgrade. They still don't know what their offog should have been, and they know their fake one won't do, so they need to "lose it". |
| 17:48 |
Franja Russell |
Hi Savage. |
| 17:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi Savage. |
| 17:48 |
Savage Taurus |
sorry for walking over people |
| 17:48 |
KayCooper |
Hello Savage |
| 17:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
No pain. |
| 17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Good to see you! |
| 17:48 |
Phrynne |
hi Savage |
| 17:48 |
Savage Taurus |
hi folks |
| 17:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Since they believe the offog is some tech gizmo, why not just report that it fell apart from gravitational stress and was used as fuel? |
| 17:49 |
Franja Russell |
Sounds good to me. |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
well- the last sentence makes me think McNaught is worried about the outcome? "In the privacy of his cabin McNaught commenced to eat his nails. Every now and again he went a little cross-eyed as he examined them for nearness to the flesh." |
| 17:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Except that the offog wasn't a tech gizmo. |
| 17:50 |
Phrynne |
What does the title of the story mean? |
| 17:50 |
Phrynne |
or refer to? |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Is he worried about being caught with a dead dog? |
| 17:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes Phrynne- I wondered about the title too |
| 17:51 |
Sophie Zuta |
I'd like to know as well about the title |
| 17:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And well he should be. Their message has just grounded every ship in the fleet. |
| 17:51 |
KayCooper |
"used as fuel" seems to really make it seem bad. The dog came apart under stress, so we just used it as fuel. No big deal. |
| 17:51 |
KayCooper |
That must have been alarming for the people in charge. |
| 17:51 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It is a big deal to those receiving the message. If the dog, why not the crew. |
| 17:51 |
Franja Russell |
What does Almagoosa mean...and in what language? |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Not much on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allamagoosa |
| 17:52 |
Franja Russell |
* Allamagoosa |
| 17:52 |
KayCooper |
I tried googling it, but I only found references to the story. |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
It reminded me of going Snipe Hunting as a kid! A name for something non existent |
| 17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I'd heard it before in terms similar to a thing-a-ma-jig. |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
right! |
| 17:53 |
Sophie Zuta |
I was thinking the same, Word |
| 17:53 |
KayCooper |
"All we need do is concoct an imposing allamagoosa and tell him it's the offog" |
| 17:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
WhatchMA-call-it |
| 17:53 |
Phrynne |
ahhh |
| 17:53 |
Franja Russell |
Allmagoosa is appropriate for that story....or any of the others you've named. |
| 17:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Sort of an all encompassing term for something you encounter (often technology) and you don't know a name for it. |
| 17:54 |
Franja Russell |
thing-a-ma-jig and whoo-zis have been around for a very long time. I suspect the idea has been with us for centuries. |
| 17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
This story was fun- thought provoking yet humorous |
| 17:55 |
KayCooper |
I liked it :) |
| 17:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Example: "Would you check that allamagoosa you use to check for nearby planets?" |
| 17:55 |
Franja Russell |
Yes...a good choice. |
| 17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
haha great sentence |
| 17:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I had it in a collection of short stories, simply titled "The Hugo Winners". |
| 17:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- I want to let everyone know that CVL has partnered with Caledon for this Literary Study and we will meet over at Caledon next month! |
| 17:56 |
KayCooper |
yay! |
| 17:57 |
Franja Russell |
Hopefully, you'll send a notecard with the name of the writing and the landmark. |
| 17:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks. I've a nice outdoor meeting place with heaters set up that is on the coast. |
| 17:57 |
Sophie Zuta |
excuse me folks |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We will alternate this campfire and the Caledon outdoor meeting place every other month! |
| 17:57 |
KayCooper |
Sounds good. |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
So- Dec 13th- is that the next date Wordsmith? |
| 17:57 |
Franja Russell |
Thank you Valibrarian. I enjoyed this discussion very much. |
| 17:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks for hosting, Val. |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
great! I hope you will come again :) |
| 17:58 |
KayCooper |
Yes, thank you very much |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- will you drop me the next story for our notecard and calendar? |
| 17:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Phrynne commented to me that it's nice we discuss the stories with minimum posturing. |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
can you elaborate Phrynne? |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
not getting too off-topic? |
| 17:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I will. Confer with Phrynne, who has a basement filled with books. |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
great! and we will send out the info before long for our next story |
| 17:59 |
KayCooper |
Awesome |
| 17:59 |
Phrynne |
It's not about whether it's off topic or not -- it's that I don't see anyone either hogging the discussion or being all I Am Important Because I Met The Author. |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh that!!!! great :) yes agreed |
| 18:00 |
Franja Russell |
:- ) |
| 18:00 |
KayCooper |
ditto |
| 18:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That's why I said I'm not so much leading as nudging the discussion. |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
really good conversation! |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
thank you all for coming |
| 18:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
tc all. See you next time. |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and I hope to see you next time at the Caledon outdoor meeting spot! |
| 18:01 |
Franja Russell |
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
/me may dress for the holidays! twill be the holiday season then |
| 18:01 |
KayCooper |
I will do my best to be there |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes Happy Thanksgiving to all |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
goodnight! |
| 18:01 |
KayCooper |
Happy Thanksgiving! |
| 18:01 |
KayCooper |
Bye everyone |
| 18:01 |
Savage Taurus |
is there somewhere I can sign up to get the notecards? |
| 18:01 |
Franja Russell |
Good night and good luck to all of us. |
| 18:01 |
Savage Taurus |
I think I am just getting them from Val |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- Are you in the Second Life Library 2.0 group? |
| 18:02 |
Savage Taurus |
oh yes i am |
| 18:02 |
Savage Taurus |
i dont see it in the notices though |
| 18:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I will post them there! and on our CVL calendar |
| 18:02 |
Savage Taurus |
ok great |
| 18:02 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And I'm posting to Caledon groups. |
| 18:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
https://communityvirtuallibrary.org/events/ |
| 18:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And the transcript archive has evolved a bit. http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/cvl_caledon/index.php |
| 18:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
bye for now! |
| 18:03 |
Savage Taurus |
bye folks |
| 18:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
bye |
| 18:03 |
Phrynne |
bye |