| 16:46 |
Phrynne |
hello Val! |
| 16:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
hi!! just a sec- getting headset |
| 16:47 |
Phrynne |
I should probably do that. |
| 16:49 |
Phrynne |
ok, back with headset, more or less |
| 16:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I will send out a few reminders now |
| 16:50 |
Phrynne |
no, not using the headset; too much to organize. I'm on a new comuter, Val. |
| 16:55 |
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| 16:57 |
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Change your position with the fwd, back, shift+left, shift+right, PgUp, & PgDn keys |
| 17:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Several people just told me they are busy working on VWBPE projects!! |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Andrea |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We will be starting soon |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- is this the best URL for us to view? https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ywhne |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I was thinking you might tell us exactly when to start so we can watch and chat at the same time! |
| 17:03 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
oo already started |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Oh that is okay! |
| 17:03 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
remembers this one |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
It is a good one for sure! |
| 17:04 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We can discuss and chat right here in the local chat! |
| 17:05 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Here is the url to the episode https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ywhne |
| 17:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Can everyone hear val and myself, or do we need to type stuff for you to get started? |
| 17:06 |
Phrynne |
I could, and then it vanished. I will keep working at it |
| 17:07 |
Sabre (sabreman.carter) |
y |
| 17:07 |
Jenaea |
y |
| 17:07 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
I can hear it |
| 17:07 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We will type here- during the video. So feel free to make comments! |
| 17:10 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace. |
| 17:11 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
He is a librarian :) |
| 17:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
mandatory period of one year and 11 months. conflicts with the ending. |
| 17:12 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
"having to do with books"- but there are no more books! |
| 17:12 |
Phrynne |
it's very 1950s in design-- minimalism in the set and costumes |
| 17:13 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Now even a society that rejects poetry, fiction, philosophy would still need technical books and manuals. |
| 17:13 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
true- seems stark and dismal |
| 17:13 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good point Wordsmith |
| 17:14 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
but not in a library exactly for public consumption, could be handed down trades ty;e |
| 17:14 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
"my thought lives"!! |
| 17:14 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
master to pupil |
| 17:14 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Words Mr. Wordsworth ..... a play on .... words. |
| 17:14 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
all of those books, says the state "are but opiates" |
| 17:15 |
Phrynne |
removal of nonconforming thoughts |
| 17:15 |
Jenaea |
this could be a "new employee orientation" film at libraries everywhere...maybe not |
| 17:15 |
Ololo Petya (olopierpa) |
hallo peeps |
| 17:16 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
welcome ololo |
| 17:16 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi, Ololo. |
| 17:16 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We are discussing this video https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ywhne The Obsolete Man |
| 17:16 |
Ololo Petya (olopierpa) |
ty |
| 17:17 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
ooo the right idea |
| 17:17 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
"televised executions are educational" |
| 17:17 |
Phrynne |
if they are going to broadcast from his room -- does that mean universal surveillance with recording capability? |
| 17:17 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
like CCTV cameras everywhere? (they are aren't they) |
| 17:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
He says in a bit that "they just installed the cameras this afternoon". |
| 17:18 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
but at least we have teeny bit of privacy left |
| 17:18 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And look at all the books in his room. |
| 17:19 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
/me loves that messy bookshelf! |
| 17:19 |
Phrynne |
"I don't fit your formulae" |
| 17:20 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
having a bible is crime punishable by death |
| 17:20 |
Phrynne |
that reminds me of the Terror in France in the 1790s, with the public executions by guillotine |
| 17:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Similar |
| 17:21 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
individual creative thought allowed.....think what we tell you |
| 17:21 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
NOT allowed! I mean |
| 17:21 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Last year in the mass executions ... 1300 people in less than 6 hours. |
| 17:22 |
Phrynne |
very Nazi |
| 17:22 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
censorship gone mad! |
| 17:22 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
no reading of other perspectives |
| 17:22 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Again, Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace. |
| 17:23 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
a scary phrase Wordsmith- especially in what many call our moment in time "the post-truth era" |
| 17:24 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
ands he is on global or national tv reading bible verses |
| 17:24 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
a hidden bible |
| 17:24 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
one among many i am sure |
| 17:25 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
When one is going to die within a few minutes, an additional threat of death has no meaning. |
| 17:26 |
Phrynne |
he has nothing to lose. |
| 17:26 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
and his underling gets a promotion. |
| 17:27 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
chum in the water |
| 17:28 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
This broadcasting of an execution isn't quite going to plan. |
| 17:28 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
two perspectives on death- observed LIVE |
| 17:28 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
reminds me of our current obsession with LIVE events- live-streaming, twitter.... |
| 17:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Now, what happened to the mandatory year and 11 months? |
| 17:31 |
Phrynne |
only four women in that crowd. |
| 17:31 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
nice choreography ;) |
| 17:31 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
mob mentality |
| 17:32 |
Sabre (sabreman.carter) |
he got his just desserts |
| 17:32 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes! he did |
| 17:32 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Mob mentality -- removal of those who are inconvenient. |
| 17:32 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
powerful message |
| 17:33 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Great episode with some thoughts for us all |
| 17:33 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
the theme of valuing ALL people's ideas |
| 17:33 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and, of course, books hehe |
| 17:33 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
got em on my head! |
| 17:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And librarians. ;) |
| 17:34 |
Jenaea |
Wouldn't it be interesting if were large corporations instead of the state that found people obsolete, and instead of killing them they simply discarded them |
| 17:34 |
Phrynne |
I wonder if any of his books were rescued by the people they sent to clear out his room -- to cause trouble later. |
| 17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and what they represent- diverse perspectives, stories, history |
| 17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good point Jenaea |
| 17:35 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Reminded me a bit of Fahrenheit 451 |
| 17:36 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
If we lose our history- there is a great cost |
| 17:36 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It certainly could be changed to involve corporations ruling instead of a "normal" state |
| 17:36 |
Phrynne |
History -- they might not have wanted to hear of a different way of doing things. |
| 17:36 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
or big data maybe? companies who have information about us that we do not even realize? lack of privacy |
| 17:36 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I think that was the depiction in the movie Rollerball. |
| 17:36 |
Sabre (sabreman.carter) |
sorry I have tolog out |
| 17:37 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good to see you Sabre |
| 17:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
tc Sabre, and thanks for coming. |
| 17:37 |
Sabre (sabreman.carter) |
thank you for the program and the invite |
| 17:37 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and...fiction is important, too! We learn much from the perspectives of characters in literature |
| 17:38 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We can "live vicariously" and experience things that we would not otherwise...in the shoes of characters |
| 17:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
How they perhaps think, feel, and are motivated or demotivated. |
| 17:39 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and historical fiction brings it "to life" more than just a list of facts....such as life during the depression or WWII etc |
| 17:39 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Think back to when we read "Fire watch" |
| 17:39 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
but- if we only "think" what the state allows....we become shallow- or even zombie-like...right? |
| 17:40 |
Phrynne |
if we do not have words to express ideas, can we think them? |
| 17:40 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
LOVE that question Phyrnne! great psychologist Lev Vygotsky said "thought is born through words"....yet sometimes we think and cannot truly express it |
| 17:41 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
He also had the analogy of thought being a sky filled with clouds....and words being the drops of rain coming down |
| 17:41 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I like that. |
| 17:42 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Since we never fully express every complete thought |
| 17:42 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
but when we read....the thoughts of another human enter our own- that is pretty amazing! right? |
| 17:43 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We sorta take it for granted and don't think about it |
| 17:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I ran across this article on words for emotions that have no direct English translation: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-untranslatable-emotions-you-never-knew-you-had?utm_source=pocket-newtab |
| 17:43 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Another cool thing -- when we read a book, we each are reading a different book! because we bring our whole life to the connotation of each word. |
| 17:44 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
new words! great Wordsmith |
| 17:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And there's the Welsh word hiraeth, which has its closest match in Portuguese Saudade |
| 17:46 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
https://sites.psu.edu/kielarpassionblog2/2016/04/02/hiraeth/ |
| 17:46 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
me thinks you are living up to your name hehe |
| 17:46 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A bit. ;) |
| 17:47 |
Phrynne |
The authorities in that show probably didn't like poetry because it can not only express but interpret reality -- it can be code for other ideas, not just talking about concrete things but thought. |
| 17:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
hhmm interesting Phynne |
| 17:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
just the facts, mam! |
| 17:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Poetry has layers of meaning, as do songs of rebellion and resistance. |
| 17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
sometimes deep meaning can be expressed in metaphor...better than in fact- don't you think? |
| 17:49 |
Phrynne |
Definitely. |
| 17:49 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Often a way to convey at least part of a meaning. |
| 17:49 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
perhaps we should read a poem sometime for our literary study? :) |
| 17:49 |
Phrynne |
Or many meanings. |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Or several - if short |
| 17:50 |
Phrynne |
"a night sky" could speak of astronomy, weather, emotions, ... |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
might be fun |
| 17:50 |
Phrynne |
sounds good |
| 17:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We can look for such |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
You can decide Wordsmith! if you run across something |
| 17:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
but I know people do enjoy the sci-fi and it always leads to good discussions |
| 17:51 |
Phrynne |
There used to be some members of the Science Fiction Writers Association who were poets, but I am not remembering the names well right now. |
| 17:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- you got my email about the VWBPE panel- where you can talk a bit about this group collaboration? |
| 17:52 |
Andrea Jones (andreajonesms) |
gotta go. keeba needs me. bye all. great discussion |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- I am sure there are some great sci-fi poems out there |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
bye Andrea :) nice to see you |
| 17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I couldn't resist today's. A central character who is a librarian, and the value of people not in lockstep agreement. |
| 17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Thanks for coming, Andrea. :) |
| 17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Great to see you here. |
| 17:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I can search, and consult with someone who has a basement full of sci-fi books. :P |
| 17:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
That would be great |
| 17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Our next study is THURS April 9 at CVL |
| 17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
so- you can email or IM me :) |
| 17:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Will do. |
| 17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
great! |
| 17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
This was fun....a nice change of pace to chat and watch |
| 17:55 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Until VWBPE. |
| 17:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes! Hope to see you all there! |
| 17:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
VWBPE is always amazing :) |
| 17:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We've got an Oxbridge exhibit there, and I'm on the early access list. |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh I will come check it out! |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Do any of you go to Kitely? |
| 17:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
That phrase about logic and truth, couldn't be more timely. |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We have an immersive tour this Sunday! in Kitely |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
YES- logic and truth :) |
| 17:57 |
Phrynne |
What time, Val? |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
1pm SLT |
| 17:58 |
Phrynne |
nods |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
https://www.vwbpe.org/conference/program |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
It is the first event on the program! a kick-off in Kitely! |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
maybe I will see you there :) |
| 17:58 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I might install a viewer and give it a try. |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
CVL has several spaces in Kitely- but SL is still our main branch |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
that would be great! |
| 17:59 |
Phrynne |
Oh, Kitely is a different grid? |
| 17:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Yes |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- I use Firestorm to get to Kitely |
| 17:59 |
Phrynne |
my FS recent download is SL only -- it doesn't allow other places yet |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
You can sign up for an avatar at Kitely.com |
| 17:59 |
Phrynne |
I can look into it |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
or you can use the Singularity viewer too |
| 17:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I believe there's a separate version. |
| 18:00 |
Phrynne |
that's possible. |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes- I hear there is a version that supports Kitely |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I use that one |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
well this was really fun! |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and I look forward to next time |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Have a good night all |
| 18:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Always fun. |
| 18:00 |
Ololo Petya (olopierpa) |
nini all |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
bye for now |
| 18:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
tc Val. Til again. |
| 18:01 |
Phrynne |
bye! |