| 16:42 |
Second Life |
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| 16:50 |
Solar Sierra |
Cool. Spoiler alert: I'm going to poof as soon as it gets scary |
| 16:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Solar! |
| 16:51 |
Solar Sierra |
Thanks |
| 16:51 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
no problem hehe |
| 16:51 |
Solar Sierra |
Hello WJ, KC |
| 16:51 |
Phrynne |
hello -- waiting for the place to rez |
| 16:51 |
Solar Sierra |
Shoot. I heard a noise. Argh. Another time. Good to see you all. |
| 16:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Hi all...just seeing if I need to remind anyone |
| 16:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and we will start at the top of the hour |
| 16:53 |
Jaz Beverly |
Hello! |
| 16:53 |
KayCooper |
Hi Jaz |
| 16:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
welcome Jaz |
| 16:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good to see you |
| 16:54 |
Jaz Beverly |
and you! |
| 16:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hello, Kay and Jaz and Phrynne |
| 16:54 |
KayCooper |
Hi Word :) |
| 16:54 |
KayCooper |
Hi Phrynne |
| 16:54 |
Jaz Beverly |
Hello, neighbors, friends, and all! |
| 16:56 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi, Solar |
| 16:56 |
Solar Sierra |
Hi |
| 16:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There's a short discussion notecard in the vase in front of me |
| 16:57 |
KayCooper |
Hi Peter :) |
| 16:57 |
Jaz Beverly |
Everyone have a good day? Any adventures? |
| 16:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Peter :) |
| 16:57 |
Jaz Beverly |
Peter! |
| 16:57 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi, Peter |
| 16:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I hope everyone is well! So far so good here :) |
| 16:58 |
Peter from New York (peterfromnewyork) |
Hi All |
| 16:58 |
Solar Sierra |
Hi |
| 16:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
To get the discussion notecard- click on the vase in front of Wordsmith if you just arrived. |
| 16:59 |
Solar Sierra |
I had a talk with another solar builder and we were concerned with our solar modules here in SL dealing with sunup. That is going to be a problem on this evening's planet. |
| 16:59 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The listening link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYid_Rb-xCM |
| 16:59 |
KayCooper |
Hi Jack |
| 17:00 |
Peter from New York (peterfromnewyork) |
whispers: When do we start playing it? |
| 17:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Tell us when to start the vintage radio link, Wordsmith! |
| 17:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and also....shall we chat during the radio broadcast here in text chat? |
| 17:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
or wait til after? |
| 17:01 |
KayCooper |
Happy to be here :) |
| 17:01 |
Jaz Beverly |
Thank you! |
| 17:02 |
KayCooper |
Hi Siri |
| 17:02 |
Solar Sierra |
I had little trouble on the mountain path to get here. |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Welcome Siri- we are about to start |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Did everyone hear me? |
| 17:02 |
Siri Vezina |
thanks for the tp - I had the wrong campfire |
| 17:02 |
Solar Sierra |
I heard VG |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We will use text but I just wanted to welcome you! |
| 17:02 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYid_Rb-xCM |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
if you just arrived |
| 17:03 |
Jaz Beverly |
Sounds lovely! |
| 17:03 |
Peter from New York (peterfromnewyork) |
all set |
| 17:03 |
Jaz Beverly |
Begin audio? |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We have 2 campfires! glad you found us |
| 17:03 |
KayCooper |
I'm ready |
| 17:03 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
shall we begin- I am ready |
| 17:03 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
hit play |
| 17:04 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Here is the link Sitearm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYid_Rb-xCM |
| 17:04 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
we are about to start listening to the story! |
| 17:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
And feel free to comment as we listen |
| 17:04 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
/ao off |
| 17:04 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
i rewind the story |
| 17:04 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
kk |
| 17:04 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
okay! I am ready to hit play~ |
| 17:04 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
it had auto played on me |
| 17:04 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Let's play |
| 17:05 |
Siri Vezina |
it came up on Zelazny for me - I thought this was Clarke? |
| 17:05 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
I am ready to hit play as well |
| 17:05 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYid_Rb-xCM Clarke- Wall of Darkness |
| 17:06 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
so... is there a count down... |
| 17:06 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
eerie space music |
| 17:06 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Music to set the mood |
| 17:06 |
Siri Vezina |
yep, now I've got it |
| 17:06 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
many are the bubbles.... |
| 17:07 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The multi-verse -- universes like bubbles in swiss cheese |
| 17:07 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
lol |
| 17:09 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hello, Lightweaver. we are listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-d38zbxt6o&feature=youtu.be |
| 17:10 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
those wordy philosophers |
| 17:10 |
Lightweaver Balan |
xièxiè |
| 17:11 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Will curiosity kill the cat? |
| 17:11 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
ah but do we know what we do not know ! |
| 17:11 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
erm we do not know what we do not know |
| 17:12 |
Phrynne |
this is reminding me of A Canticle for Leibowitz, where nobody knew the origin or the reasons why things were done |
| 17:13 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
cool - I know that title but did not remember the story |
| 17:13 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
i cant wait to listen to this again |
| 17:14 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
this is so intriguing |
| 17:17 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
The wall is an intriguing mystery… is the older generation teaching the young? |
| 17:19 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Sounds like a good platform for running stadiums. |
| 17:19 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Some grow up to have reason ... some .... |
| 17:22 |
Jaz Beverly |
Famous last words... "There is nothing to fear!" |
| 17:23 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Sometime nothing is a real cool hand -- "Cool hand luke" |
| 17:23 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Hi Jmanque |
| 17:23 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We are listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYid_Rb-xCM |
| 17:25 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Are there others across the wall? (Could there be life elsewhere?) |
| 17:26 |
Jaz Beverly |
The fallacy of sunk cost..."we have come so far..." |
| 17:27 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
The far edge! The other side! There may be hope…..and light. |
| 17:27 |
Peter from New York (peterfromnewyork) |
It will just take a mythical man month |
| 17:27 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We know what cost we've spent, but how much more |
| 17:30 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A Mobius strip |
| 17:30 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Our universe comes to an end along the line of the wall- and yet it does not end. A manmade barrier? |
| 17:31 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes-- A plain sheet of paper with two sides- can you imagine only one side? Bent into a loop- a mobius strip! eternity |
| 17:31 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I did say in the notecard that it was a story with a mathematical twist. |
| 17:31 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I see! the mathematical twist! |
| 17:32 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
ahaha Word :) |
| 17:32 |
KayCooper |
Quite the twist :) |
| 17:32 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
A strange feeling that another identical stairway is on the other side of the wall- reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode (all is a dream or maybe we are just in a doll house or computer program). |
| 17:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The engineer has this feeling that there is a duplicate platform --- the difficulty in visualizing that one can walk forward and yet end up where one started. |
| 17:33 |
KayCooper |
This story has a Twilight Zone feel to it |
| 17:33 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A bit, yes |
| 17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
ooh there is more! I thought it was over |
| 17:34 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
cast credits |
| 17:34 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
infinity is our symbol |
| 17:34 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I think it's just duplicate recording. |
| 17:34 |
KayCooper |
Yeah, it sounds the same |
| 17:34 |
Solar Sierra |
The cast credits are the mirrorwall here |
| 17:34 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
lol |
| 17:34 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
exactly! hahah |
| 17:35 |
KayCooper |
I guess I can see why they said people who see it go mad |
| 17:35 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
/me wonders if they did that on purpose |
| 17:35 |
KayCooper |
They can't wrap their minds around it |
| 17:35 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We are on a Mobius strip! |
| 17:35 |
Solar Sierra |
Can anyone place TOO high a price? |
| 17:35 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Perhaps they built the wall so that people didn't go back and forth until they went mad. |
| 17:36 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
we shall experience the wall |
| 17:36 |
KayCooper |
It's a sanity wall :) |
| 17:36 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
The title Wall of Darkness by Clarke reminds me of the title Nightfall by Asimov |
| 17:36 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
lol Kay that is Madness don't scare our visitor |
| 17:36 |
Jaz Beverly |
The constant use of the term "visitor" seemed to indicate a culture more at home with the familiar. |
| 17:36 |
KayCooper |
hehe |
| 17:36 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
both have someone go mad having mindset being blown up |
| 17:36 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
A container wall (reminds me of the movie Truman Show where Jim Carey finds out he is living in a simulation) |
| 17:37 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
ooh good one val |
| 17:37 |
Jaz Beverly |
Yes! The Truman Show! |
| 17:37 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Our minds learn to perceive a certain type of 3-d reality. |
| 17:37 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
He, too, had that curiosity to keep looking |
| 17:37 |
Solar Sierra |
They need this LSL scripting page: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlEdgeOfWorld |
| 17:38 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
and our minds make up "pseudo concepts" to fill in the gaps in our knowledge. |
| 17:38 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
There's legitimate speculation about whether we might be in a simulation. Lisa Randall rates it as unlikely. Tyson 50:50. |
| 17:38 |
Jaz Beverly |
lol, great LSL reference |
| 17:38 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
We "decide" what is real, right? And we all know sitting around this campfire is real...because WE are real |
| 17:39 |
Phrynne |
A simulation, or a 3D representation of a 4D universe? |
| 17:39 |
Phrynne |
just as this is a 2D version of a 3D one? |
| 17:39 |
KayCooper |
We could be 3D simulations that forgot we had 4D typists |
| 17:39 |
Solar Sierra |
There is no agency in a material world. How could a "decision" be made when the action is according the sum of the forces, or the least energy? |
| 17:40 |
Jaz Beverly |
I have been trying to describe to colleagues at work how meeting in a virtual world feels vastly different than being on video calls. |
| 17:40 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Our metamodern era promotes hyperreality- a state in which the simulacra becomes the real (icons, representations) |
| 17:40 |
Solar Sierra |
We have much less expressive faces and more expressive spaces |
| 17:40 |
Jaz Beverly |
But is impossible to explain virtual worlds -- a shared alternate reality, without the experience of them |
| 17:40 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
nice one solar |
| 17:40 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
We learn to interpret what we see, in terms of experience. Objects get smaller with distance, hence perspective drawing. |
| 17:40 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
true Jaz- images and machinima of SL do not do it justice (you gotta be there to know what it feels like) |
| 17:41 |
Jaz Beverly |
Here, here, Solar! Well put. |
| 17:41 |
Solar Sierra |
The way I will explain this side of the wall from now on is that downloading an app "is the first step on the way to understanding." |
| 17:41 |
Jaz Beverly |
Yes! And the live sharing of a virtual space is a unique way of gathering. |
| 17:42 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It gives a sense of proximity without requiring travel. |
| 17:42 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
absolutely- a shared space |
| 17:42 |
KayCooper |
I think sharing a virtual space feels more communal than a bunch of video chat windows |
| 17:42 |
Jaz Beverly |
I would rather be limited to interacting in open sims and SL than limited to only video call connections |
| 17:42 |
Solar Sierra |
I missed some story. Who is the platform engineer? |
| 17:43 |
Jaz Beverly |
The one who created a way to surmount the seemingly insurmountable wall. |
| 17:43 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Yes Solar- I am not sure either....and the question about how the platform engineer feels at the end? |
| 17:43 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The one at the end, who doesn't want to watch the platform being destroyed, and imagines that perhaps there's a duplicate platform that will come down at the same time. |
| 17:44 |
jmanque |
Must go, it's been fun :) |
| 17:44 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
but what if we were stuck here in this city unable to explore |
| 17:44 |
KayCooper |
I'm bad at remembering characters when I hear them but don't read them |
| 17:44 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
Vihart the YouTube vlogger has done two interesting Moebius strip posts - one is a Moebius punch strip for a music box |
| 17:44 |
Solar Sierra |
Oh, yeah, thanks, WJ, heard him. |
| 17:44 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good to see you jmangue |
| 17:44 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
plays a harry potter theme continuously |
| 17:44 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
How he feels, alludes the his sense of duplicates. |
| 17:45 |
Solar Sierra |
One would need a good fugue that worked upside down. |
| 17:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The "I can't help but imagine another wall will fall on the other side" |
| 17:45 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Mozart did that. |
| 17:45 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
the other ViHart is a story like Wall drawn upon a transparent Moebius strip but you don't realize that until the end : ) |
| 17:45 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
he did? |
| 17:46 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
the sense of balancing the universe |
| 17:46 |
Solar Sierra |
There are plenty of fugues with motifs turned upside down, but the entire thing inverted? |
| 17:47 |
Jaz Beverly |
I like the juxtaposition of the balanced and quirky/unique. Good to have both. |
| 17:47 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
And- what about the planet always facing the sun? Our world is built on the spiral- the movement of spinning and polarities that brings (hot, cold- night , day) |
| 17:47 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Solar here is a paper on that canon thing |
| 17:47 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
http://vihart.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Vi-Hart-ESMA2010-Music-Box.pdf |
| 17:47 |
Solar Sierra |
TX |
| 17:47 |
Jaz Beverly |
Yes, that was the hardest part of the story for me to imagine -- a sun that stayed fixed in the sky |
| 17:47 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
shows the Moebius twist of the music : ) |
| 17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Why did Clarke create a place that seemed "one-sided"- facing one way? To make us think about the other side of the twisted strip? |
| 17:48 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
he was messing with our minds ? |
| 17:48 |
Jaz Beverly |
And the people were stuck unable to move along the strip. |
| 17:48 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Cool Sitearm- is this the Moebius music video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iMI_uOM_fY&list=PLEC77462F1ECB5D3E&index=1 |
| 17:48 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
It made for a good mystery situation, and a bit of fascination with Moebius strips. |
| 17:49 |
Jaz Beverly |
The sun didn't move, the people didn't move, but all balanced on a fluid shape |
| 17:49 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
yes val : ) |
| 17:49 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
And who is the visitor? Was he the one who brought the curiosity? Someone had to think outside the box |
| 17:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
A world that rotates at the same speed it goes around its sun --- gravity locked. |
| 17:50 |
Solar Sierra |
But a Moebius strip has two sides, out of phase. When the ant goes over the edge, it ends up facing the opposite direction. That is a different side. |
| 17:50 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Val I assume the Visitor is Us the readers - for us to be immersed in the story |
| 17:50 |
Jaz Beverly |
I wonder if it is meant to draw attention to the artificial nature of walls like the Berlin wall -- or any time humans attempt to draw limiting borders on an interconnected universe. |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
oh yes! we come to visit the wall ;) |
| 17:50 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Solar that ant will have invented FTL! |
| 17:50 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
good point, Jaz- the idea of the boundary of the wall |
| 17:50 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I think "the visitor" was part of the adaptation to make it a viable radio story. |
| 17:51 |
Jaz Beverly |
The Visitor also reflects a cultural wall -- us and them |
| 17:51 |
Lightweaver Balan |
/me bows |
| 17:51 |
Jaz Beverly |
Someone who is never given a name, goes by status of the other |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
great Jaz! I did feel an "us and them" feeling (made me think of aliens out there on other planets maybe) |
| 17:52 |
Solar Sierra |
Did the visitor speak? If not, then maybe it was the female actor who always gets paid much less. |
| 17:52 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Jaz the story is from 1949; Berlin wall was 60's-80's |
| 17:52 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
haha Solar! |
| 17:52 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
I don't recall the visitor being there when I read the written story years ago. |
| 17:52 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
we were the visitor i thought |
| 17:52 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Word dunno however the description does say this is a radio play adaptation |
| 17:52 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Jack me too |
| 17:53 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- one of your questions: A prince with a curiosity to know the answer and the resources to attempt to find out. (Is that the child?) |
| 17:53 |
Jaz Beverly |
True, Sitearm, but I just meant borders in general. Sorry, was just trying to pull in an example of one less likely to be politically polarizing than walls along current borders. |
| 17:53 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
The child who grew up to be the one to cross the wall with the "visitor" |
| 17:53 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
they brought us to the edge and they fell over into the cold] |
| 17:54 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
im guessing the void |
| 17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
A "quest" to understand- a coming of age story within |
| 17:54 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
Jaz :) |
| 17:54 |
Jaz Beverly |
Children -- curious and less worried about transgressing cultural norms they may not see or be as attached to as the adults. |
| 17:54 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
exactly Jaz |
| 17:54 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
was in a class last month where we read a sci-fi story that was directly tied to the events of the time |
| 17:54 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Curiosity set in motion as a child, and not killed while growing up. |
| 17:54 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
the prof made a big deal on it lol |
| 17:55 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
A child pointed out the Emperor's new clothes...there is an honesty in them |
| 17:56 |
Jaz Beverly |
I think as adults one of our biggest challenges is to continue to look, explore, re-examine even that which we think we know. |
| 17:56 |
Solar Sierra |
There are animals too. http://www.animalcognition.org/2015/04/15/list-of-animals-that-have-passed-the-mirror-test/ |
| 17:56 |
Jaz Beverly |
The more certain we are, the more we should be questioning. |
| 17:56 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
yes Jaz- a willingness to question ourselves |
| 17:57 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
cool link Solar...the mirror test reminds me of looking into the wall |
| 17:58 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
I really liked listening to this story....great way to be "immersed" together here. TY Wordsmith! You pick good ones. |
| 17:58 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
nice to meet u all |
| 17:58 |
KayCooper |
That was a good one |
| 17:58 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
Solar :) mirror test |
| 17:58 |
KayCooper |
They've all been good though |
| 17:58 |
Jack Ryeder (helryeder) |
*shakes hands |
| 17:58 |
Peter from New York (peterfromnewyork) |
Thanks for a fun event |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Our next literary study will be on June 11th and we will meet over at Caledon :) We alternate monthly |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
June 11 at 5pm |
| 17:59 |
Jaz Beverly |
Thank you all so much. Wonderful story and discussion! |
| 17:59 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@All you might enjoy this short vid also moebius ViHart |
| 17:59 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mdEsouIXGM |
| 17:59 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
TY Sitearm! |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
bookmarking video! |
| 18:00 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
de nada... or de rien... |
| 18:00 |
Sitearm (sitearm.madonna) |
@Val ty for the event @All ty for your camaraderie and conversation see you soon |
| 18:00 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
TY all for coming and hope to see you next time :) |
| 18:00 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Vi Hart has a whoe series of videos on doodling while in math class. |
| 18:00 |
Peter from New York (peterfromnewyork) |
Stay Safe! |
| 18:00 |
KayCooper |
Thank you! |
| 18:00 |
Phrynne |
Good to see you all again |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Wordsmith- let me know the story for June and we will head to Stonesedge Outdoor Meeting Center |
| 18:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
tc, Til again |
| 18:01 |
Jaz Beverly |
Have a lovely evening! |
| 18:01 |
Valibrarian Gregg |
Good night everyone :) wherever you may be |
| 18:01 |
KayCooper |
Good morning, good evening, or good night :) |
| 18:01 |
Wordsmith Jarvinen |
Dance then, wherever you may be ...... |
| 18:01 |
Solar Sierra |
GN all |