Caledon Oxbridge General Q&A for 2021-05-16

15:00	Carl Metropolitan	It is three pm and it is time to start! [Carl then hits the wrong button on his screen and teleports out.]
15:00	Carl Metropolitan	Weird. I teleported.
15:01	Carl Metropolitan	Did the set vanish?
15:01	Sandie Harbour	Probably that loose nut on the keyboard
15:01	Gronk Seriman	I still see the set.
15:01	Oxbridge Donation Coin R1 (Alternate Lecture Hall)	Kara2016 gave a generous donation to help support classes and tutorials at Caledon Oxbridge Gateway. [I missed that, but thank you Kara.]
15:01	Carl Metropolitan	Okay. I see it now.
15:01	Carl Metropolitan	Welcome to this Sunday's Oxbridge General Q&A. Andrea and I are here to answer any of your questions about Second Life, Caledon, Oxbridge, Steampunk, Linden Lab, Virtual Worlds, and anything vaguely related to any of the above. I'm also good at trivia questions.
15:02		Sandy Burgess thinks he must have practiced that sentence in front of a mirror
15:02	Carl Metropolitan	So lets start. Andrea is not here right now, so we will skip her announcements and move right into Q&A
15:02	Carl Metropolitan	So. Questions?
15:03	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	How many suitors Sandie have to dodge per day? :-)
15:03	Sandy Burgess	I think I know one...
15:03	Sandie Harbour	I know that answer.
15:03	Carl Metropolitan	Few, as she can used "Eject" on the land.
15:04	Kara2016	smiles brightly.
15:04	Agatha Macbeth	42
15:04	Sandie Harbour	0
15:04	Carl Metropolitan	I hope we do have some questions.
15:04	Carl Metropolitan	Hi Larky
15:04	Larky (larkylouz)	Hi Carl, hey everyone.
15:05	Agatha Macbeth	Hello Larky
15:05	Sandie Harbour	Raises hand.
15:05	Carl Metropolitan	I noticed that NCI had combined their Q&As with a Trivia event. I wonder if they were having problems getting questions some nights.
15:06	Carl Metropolitan	I may have to dig out my trivia database.
15:06	Carl Metropolitan	Well, huge Excel file.
15:06	Sandie Harbour	Is there a huge advantage to Baked on Mesh?
15:07	Larky (larkylouz)	I like it, Sandie. I can wear my usual look AND my clothes fit.
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	It has allowed many designers to use tattoos, make-up, and other things without having to use the additional complexity of mesh body "onion skin" layers.
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	Also, it allows people to use some old system clothing and skins.
15:07		Agatha Macbeth nods.
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	Though the skins don't work well as the feet are not compatible.
15:07	lovejoy2199	Ummmmm.
15:07	Carl Metropolitan	But if you are always wearing shoes, that might not be an issue.
15:07	Agatha Macbeth	Its chief attraction.
15:08	Sandie Harbour	looks at her feet.
15:08	Carl Metropolitan	If you don't have a mesh body, you don't need to worry about it.
15:09	Carl Metropolitan	Yes. Sandie's feet are the main issue with using old skins and BoM.
15:09	Larky (larkylouz)	I have the free sweets body and while I look too thin, with this shape, the color isn't an issue for me.
15:09	Carl Metropolitan	SL's system avatar did not actually have individual toes.
15:09	lovejoy2199	So, baked on is for people who have mesh bobies? [He meant "bodies"]
15:10	Carl Metropolitan	Right. Only for mesh bodies. And even for them it is optional.
15:10	Larky (larkylouz)	Lovejoy, you don't want to know how I misread your question...
15:10	Larky (larkylouz)	;^)
15:10	Gronk Seriman	Last time I tried, if I use any materials or shininess on my BoM avatar, it showed up on the old system clothes, also. It was a mess.
15:10	Larky (larkylouz)	Hi Jorge.
15:11	Carl Metropolitan	I was not aware of that. Something to look out for Gronk.
15:11	Carl Metropolitan	I still have an old style system body. So I don't know all the details.
15:11	Sandie Harbour	I'm trying it out for the first time.
15:12	Sandy Burgess	You need to switch on BOM on the mesh body.
15:12	Gronk Seriman	"Switch on"?
15:13	Carl Metropolitan	Yes. My understanding is that most mesh bodies come with a HUD that allows you to put the body into BoM mode.
15:13	Sandie Harbour	My HUD has a button to turn it on.
15:13	Gronk Seriman	Oh!
15:13	Gronk Seriman	I will have to look, then.
15:13	Carl Metropolitan	Otherwise, it does not know to look to the BoM code for skin and clothes and make up and tattoos, etc.
15:14	Carl Metropolitan	I don't know if all of them work that way. It is possible some have it on by default.
15:14	Sandy Burgess	Mine too... you need to find it... these HUDs are small reading…
15:15	Larky (larkylouz)	mine's on by default
15:15	Carl Metropolitan	Okay. Let's move on to the next question.
15:15		Strandwind raises her hand.
15:15	Carl Metropolitan	Go Strandwind!
15:15	Strandwind	I still have a problem. I bought some new textures. They are full perm. I got them in my inventory. Normaly, if I apply a texture from my inventory to a prim and I go to texture tab in edit menu, the menu shows the applied texture in my inventory. But that doesn't work now. I don't know why. Anyone has a clue why and how I can fix it?
15:16	Carl Metropolitan	What SL client are you using?
15:16	Strandwind	Client?
15:16	Carl Metropolitan	Browser/Program/Ap, etc.
15:16	Strandwind	Firestorm
15:16	Carl Metropolitan	Okay. Let me see if I can replicate that problem. [Carl rezes a prim and tests with a full perm texture from Inventory.]
15:16	Carl Metropolitan	First thing I would ask is that you look at those textures and confirm they are full perm.
15:17	Carl Metropolitan	Right click on one of them in your inventory and select properties
15:17	Carl Metropolitan	Then look to make sure that "Copy" "Modify" and "Transfer" are all checked
15:18	Gronk Seriman	If they are "No Copy", they would disappear from the list since you used your one copy.
15:18	Carl Metropolitan	I just confirmed that on my Firestorm client, that texture application is working as expected.
15:18	Strandwind	I shared the texture to my beloved partner. She does not have that problem. So it seems that it is an issue in my preferences.
15:18	Carl Metropolitan	Yes. I would check to see if some of those textures are not set right.
15:18	Carl Metropolitan	Okay. Is it a texture you can pass a copy to me to look at?
15:19	Strandwind	Yes, moment.
15:19	Carl Metropolitan	Thank you.
15:20	Carl Metropolitan	SL does, for no good reason, just acts weird from time to time.
15:20	Gronk Seriman	I have also learned the hard way to look at what the NEXT user of your gift can do. You may have given away the full perm, and keep a restricted copy.
15:21	Strandwind	Aye, as I said, my beloved partner had no problems with it, but my SL is behaving wonky with it. [Carl rezes a cube and apply Strandwind's texture.]
15:21	Carl Metropolitan	It works for me.
15:21	Carl Metropolitan	Have you tried restarting SL since this happened?
15:21	Strandwind	Yes, I did.
15:21	Gronk Seriman	Carl, if you check the permissions and give it back to her, would it work?
15:21	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Computer restart?
15:22	Carl Metropolitan	I will do that
15:22	Carl Metropolitan	I checked permissions and they were correct.
15:22		Strandwind nods.
15:22	Carl Metropolitan	Try and see if this version I sent you back does the same thing.
15:22	Carl Metropolitan	It is possible that one UUID (asset ID) got corrupted. [Different copies of the same asset have different UUIDs.]
15:23	Strandwind	Ok, thank you Carl, I will try that.
15:23	Strandwind	If it does not work, I may come back with this issue next week.
15:23		Strandwind smiles
15:24	Carl Metropolitan	It is baffling. I can't think of a reason that the texture you gave me a copy of would not work.
15:25	Gronk Seriman	"Welcome to Second Life! More flakes than Kellog's! More bugs than Orkin!"
15:25	Strandwind	I will try it at home. Thank you.
15:25	Carl Metropolitan	Okay. Next question?
15:25		Gronk Seriman raises a hand.
15:26	Agatha Macbeth	A friend of mine said the other day she was wearing two different skins at the same time...is that even possible?
15:26	Carl Metropolitan	It is sort of.
15:26	Agatha Macbeth	Ah. Really?
15:27	Carl Metropolitan	If she's wearing a system skin and a mesh skin and is not wearing a full body alpha over the system skin, it can look weird and patchy with the system skin bits popping out over the mesh body skin layer.
15:27	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	One can accidentally wear all the saved outfits at the same time...
15:27		Sandy Burgess nods. Have done that... feels itchy.
15:27	Agatha Macbeth	Right. Thanks.
15:28	Gronk Seriman	I have heard recently that SL and LL has been sold to an investment group. Is that a good thing?
15:29	Agatha Macbeth	Hello Phrynne.
15:29	Carl Metropolitan	The sale was completed about two months ago.
15:29	Sandy Burgess	Investment groups never a are a good thing.
15:29	Carl Metropolitan	Is it a good thing? Who knows. The investment group will need to keep SL operating and profitable. That's a good thing.
15:30	Gronk Seriman	Sandy, I suppose it depends on what the investment group wants to do with the asset they just bought.
15:30	lovejoy2199	Or, sell it off in pieces.
15:30	Carl Metropolitan	They bought only SL [and Tillia] , so unlike LL, they are not chasing the next shiny
15:30	Agatha Macbeth	Hello Andrea.
15:31	lovejoy2199	All about money for them.
15:31	Sandy Burgess	They usually are not interested in the product itself but in the money they can make of it.
15:31	Carl Metropolitan	There really are no pieces of SL to sell off, Lovejoy. I suppose they could sell Tillia or SL separately.
15:31	Gronk Seriman	Oh, really?! What does LL have left?!
15:31	Carl Metropolitan	Nothing; LL was what was sold.
15:31	Strandwind	Have you lately uploaded something?
15:31	Carl Metropolitan	Hello Andrea.
15:31	Strandwind	It is shown, that the price could alter.
15:32	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	It was not sold as much as acquired. LL and SL as a whole.
15:32		Gronk Seriman smiles and waves to Andrea.
15:32	Oxbridge Donation Coin R1 (Alternate Lecture Hall)	Soup Jonson gave a generous donation to help support classes and tutorials at Caledon Oxbridge Gateway. [Sorry I missed that; Thank you Soup.]
15:32	Strandwind	And I have heard there could be a kind of premium membership. Not know what that would cause, but sure more to pay.
15:32	Phrynne	Beyond the current premium level?
15:32	Carl Metropolitan	Keep in mind that the owners of SL don't make any money directly from fees charged in L$. All buying L$s does is allow LL to issue new ones to sell.
15:33	Strandwind	Yes, beyond premium membership.
15:33	Carl Metropolitan	A second tier of premium membership, Premium Plus has been in the works before LL was sold.
15:33	Carl Metropolitan	It is still in the works.
15:33	Gronk Seriman	Oh wow.
15:34	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	They would probably have to invent new services for the extra level of premium.
15:34	Gronk Seriman	So your name appears in gold. Heh!
15:34	Strandwind	Thank you Carl, "Premium plus", that's what I heard about.
15:34	Sandy Burgess	If they make sim crossings work I'll be quiet and not complain about investment groups
15:34	Carl Metropolitan	Agatha, here is an article Larky wrote several years ago that indirectly addresses your previous question: http://www.caledonoxbridge.org/guardian/2014/08/02/avatars-reload/
15:35	Agatha Macbeth	Thanks Carl.
15:35	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	The originals investors cashed in and new investors took over.
15:35	Larky (larkylouz)	I haven't seen the issue described in that article in years, however, but it used to be fairly common.
15:35	Carl Metropolitan	I think the original investors were expecting everyone to leave SL for Sansar, and when that did not happen, they decided to get out.
15:35	Kara2016	I am glad i did not go premium..
15:36	Phrynne	If Sansar had let in Mac users, I might've gone. As it is, no.
15:37	Carl Metropolitan	Sansar had many problems that reflected the fact that the people designing it did not get Second Life.
15:37	Phrynne	They had no clue.
15:37	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Sansar required kind of heavy duty equipment to use.
15:37	Gronk Seriman	If LL could have magically shifted their opening to the peak of the goggle craze, they would have been in much better shape. They missed the peak badly.
15:38	Carl Metropolitan	They only tried to attach Sansar to the VR trend after that trend was starting to peak.
15:38	Carl Metropolitan	Andrea, do you have any announcements tonight?
15:39	Andrea Jones (andreajonesms)	We will be having a dance next Sunday. Theme will be Gods and Monsters.
15:39	Gronk Seriman	Ooo!
15:39	Soup Jonson	Yes love your dances!
15:39	Andrea Jones (andreajonesms)	Not sure about the build yet. I'm at Sci-Fi Con this week.
15:39	Larky (larkylouz)	I got a snarky newbie the other day who found it necessary to tell me how boring the game SL is and how much better VR is. He wasn't interested in listening to my statement that this isn't a game, naturally.
15:40	Carl Metropolitan	He is clearly not a good fit for SL. Like any platform, it is not for everyone.
15:41	Larky (larkylouz)	He probably needed to grow out of his acne before anything was a good fit for them. Just sayin'!
15:41	Gronk Seriman	Larky, that's why SL is such a hard sell. So many people just don't "Get It".
15:42	Larky (larkylouz)	I always get a small thrill when I start explaining SL and they keep saying, "Wow, that's so cooool!"
15:42	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Some people expect SL to be multiplayer game.
15:42	Carl Metropolitan	One of the first things I tried to do when I created the original Oxbridge tutorial was explain what SL was in the first few panels.
15:43	Gronk Seriman	And, to be sure, almost any type of "game" you can think of is here. You just need to go find it. Nobody knows all of SL.
15:43	Carl Metropolitan	Okay. Next question?
15:44	Sandy Burgess	SL is not a game its a toy... like Lego.
15:44	Phrynne	SL is a world.
15:45	Carl Metropolitan	If there are no other questions tonight, I'm going to adjourn and go make the transcript.
15:45	Andrea Jones (andreajonesms)	Thank you for coming.
15:46	Larky (larkylouz)	Thank you, Carl, Andrea. Take care, all.
15:46	Gronk Seriman	Thank you Carl, Andrea!
15:46	Carl Metropolitan	Goodnight everyone.
15:46	Sandy Burgess	Good night.
15:46	Elfbiter Skysmith (elfbiter)	Bedtime. Hold the fort.
15:46	Soup Jonson	Fun meeting.
15:46	Carl Metropolitan	Thank you all for coming.
15:46	Carl Metropolitan	Bye!
15:46	Andrea Jones (andreajonesms)	Bye.